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Do You Verify ?

Peacetalk — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:35:00 -0500

Obvoiusly you are able to verify everything you read! Or you do not believe anything you read?

Try it with the commen sense, sanity and reason!

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Substantiate?

will — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:15:13 -0500

What difference does it make if you can verify or substantiate? The issue is were you lied to and do you believe what you were told. Anyone that deals with lies is not worth talking to. All lies whether believed or not ain't worth dealing with.

CIA book tells of Iraq snubs

Peacetalk — Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:01:48 -0500

Wednesday, January 04, 2006

A new book on US secret anti-terrorism operations describes how the Central Intelligence Agency recruited an Iraqi- American anesthesiologist in 2002 to obtain information from her brother, who was a figure in Saddam Hussein's nuclear program.
Sawsan Alhaddad of Cleveland made the dangerous trip to Iraq on the CIA's behalf. But her brother was stunned by her questions about the nuclear program because, he said, it had been dead for a decade.

The anecdote is used by New York Times reporter James Risen to illustrate how the CIA ignored information that Iraq no longer had weapons of mass destruction. His book, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, describes secret operations of the war on terrorism.

The major revelation in the book has already been the subject of extensive reporting by Risen's paper: the National Security Agency's eavesdropping of Americans' conversations without obtaining warrants from a special court.

According to Risen, Alhaddad flew home in mid-September 2002 and had a series of meetings with CIA analysts. She relayed her brother's information that there was no nuclear program.

A CIA operative later told Alhaddad's husband the agency believed her brother was lying.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?cat=17&art_id=9100&sid=611...

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Re: Can You Substantiate Your Claim?

Peacetalk — Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:57:01 -0500

stereoman wrote:

I just had to ask, because I have never actually read a verifiable account of the statement you made, that the "Bush administration claimed that Saddam Hussain tried to acquire uranium in Niger to use for the production of Iraqi nuclear weapons." If you have a citation, I would be very pleased to know of it.

Steve

Steve !

Are you expecting me to substantiate a news paper report? If so how are you expecting me to do so?

I suppose, you have read the report of the Gulf News? So maybe you shall refere to the editor. In the case that you have no access to this site please let me know, I will send it to you as an html file!

hereby the link:

http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10008802.html

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Re: Can You Substantiate Your Claim?

Artie — Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:32:00 -0500

stereoman wrote:

Google for Bush's (in)famous 16 words: "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." At least 68,000 sources to choose from there.

Artie

Can You Substantiate Your Claim?

stereoman — Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:25:04 -0500

Steve

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Manipulating the evidence

Peacetalk — Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:01:55 -0500

Last November, the US Senate Intelligence Committee was pressured by the Democrats to commence the long-delayed investigation of whether the Bush administration had deliberately distorted the intelligence to justify the Iraq war. A growing body of evidence, however, is already showing that the Bush administration manipulated the evidence to bolster support for its planned war. The Bush administration claimed that Saddam Hussain tried to acquire uranium in Niger to use for the production of Iraqi nuclear weapons.